Best way to link a morphology term to a Grammar?

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By complicated, do you mean getting permissions? And is complicated meaning the time involved?
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Both, because each time you update or change getting permission can be frustrating. Time because of regetting permission. However, to build it once may not be too hard.
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Basically need info for each of the following areas. If someone would like to start that would be awesome.
I would recommend this format:
Term: Definition: book quoted from if used. (Book must be public domain: Example
For example:
Adjective: "In Koine Greek it modifies a noun." from JGK a Greek word λογος



(Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes)
Declined forms
N: Noun
Case Number Gender Suffix
N: Nominative
G: Genitive
D: Dative
A: Accusative
V: Vocative S: Singular
P: Plural M: Masculine
F: Feminine
N: Neuter
C: Contracted form/Comparative form (some adverbs)

A: Adjective
Case Number Gender Degree
N: Nominative
G: Genitive
D: Dative
A: Accusative
V: Vocative S: Singular
P: Plural M: Masculine
F: Feminine
N: Neuter
C: Comparative
S: Superlative
Suffix
ATT: ATTic Greek form

F: reFlexive pronoun, S: poSsessive pronoun, P: Personal pronoun
Person Case Number Gender Degree
1: 1st
2: 2nd
3: 3rd N: Nominative
G: Genitive
D: Dative
A: Accusative
V: Vocative S: Singular
P: Plural M: Masculine
F: Feminine
N: Neuter
C: Contracted form/Comparative form (some adverbs)

C: reCiprocal pronoun, D: Demonstrative pronoun, F: reFlexive pronoun, I: Interrogative pronoun, K: correlative pronoun
P: Personal pronoun, Q: correlative or interrogative pronoun, R: Relative pronoun, T: definite arTicle, X: indefinite pronoun
Case Number Gender Suffix
N: Nominative
G: Genitive
D: Dative
A: Accusative
V: Vocative S: Singular
P: Plural M: Masculine
F: Feminine
N: Neuter
C: Contracted form/Comparative form (some adverbs)
P: Particle attached
ATT: ATTic Greek form

V: Verb
Tense Voice Mood Person Number
1: 1st
2: 2nd
3: 3rd S: Singular
P: Plural

Case Number Gender
N: Nominative
G: Genitive
D: Dative
A: Accusative
V: Vocative S: Singular
P: Plural M: Masculine
F: Feminine
N: Neuter

Suffix
P: Present
I: Imperfect
F: Future
A: Aorist
R: peRfect
L: pLuperfect
2A: 2nd Aorist
2F: 2nd Future
2R: 2nd peRfect
2L: 2nd pLuperfect

A: Active
M: Middle
P: Passive
E: Either middle or passive
D: middle Deponent
O: passive depOnent
N: middle or passive depoNent I: Indicative
M: iMperative
S: Subjunctive
O: Optative
N: iNfinitive
P: Participle
A: Aeolic Greek form
AP: APocopated form
ATT: ATTic Greek form
C: Contracted form/Comparative form (some adverbs)
I: Interrogative
IRR: IRRegular or impure form
M: Middle significance
T: Transitive

Undeclined forms
Part of speech Suffix
ADV: ADVerb or adverb and particle combined
ARAM: ARAMaic transliterated word (indeclinable)
COND: CONDitional particle or conjunction
CONJ: CONJunction or conjunctive particle
HEB: HEBrew transliterated word (indeclinable)
INJ: INterJection
PREP: PREPosition
PRT: PaRTicle, disjunctive particle
N-PRI: Indeclinable PRoper Noun
N-LI: Indeclinable Letter (Noun)
N-OI: Indeclinable Noun of Other type
A-NUI: Indeclinable NUmeral (Adjective) I: Interrogative
C: Contracted form/Comparative form (some adverbs)
S: Superlative
P: Particle attached
N: Negative
ABB: ABBreviated form
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Something like this:

This can't be used because it is from "Basics of Biblical Greek"

Voice: Active
"If the subject does the action of the verb, then the verb is in the active voice. 'Bill hit the ball. 'Hit' is in the active voice because the subject, Bil, did the hitting."
- pg. 125 Basics of Biblical Greek
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jonathangkoehn wrote:I'm really thinking the information needs to be from public domain sources otherwise this gets very complicated. Or unless we have a user that offers to an abbreviated definition not quoting a book but as their own that we can use.
If your "subject" list (from your module(s)) isn't "protected" or you could easily obtain permission, then that list of words could be used.

I understand what you mean about copyright and even the Creative licensing many times have their own set of requirements.

If I find something good without those restraints, I will let you know.
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I am making a module from UnfoldingWord Hebrew Grammar. Their material looks interesting. Am about 1/2 complete.

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Very nice, Darrel, may want to talk to AlbeSh so you don't do double work on the Unfolding Hebrew Grammar.
It does have some good content. It would be nice to have their Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic( when done)
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Ouch! That's a tough one. I am over 90% complete now. Will finish entries today, then have some hyperlinking remaining.

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Look.forward to it. Will it be available on wordmodules.
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I have it almost completed - just adding hyperlinks on words in each category. I would like to send it to you first to get your opinion? Then if you like it we'll see about putting it on wordmodules. should have it wrapped either tonight or tomorrow.

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Jonathan, check your inbox
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I didn't read the whole discussion, but what I've seen in other Bible software is that they have a specific type of module - grammar modules. This allows the use of generic links. If theWord also had the concept of grammar modules one would be able to link to them using generic links like "tw://[grammar]?aorist", for instance, just like it works for strong and morphology types of dictionaries. Then the user would configure his default grammar module to see in the link popup.
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I like this idea the best, Rubio. Because modifying the morph dictionary would get cumbersome. Thoughts, Jon Graef and Costas? Is this feasible?
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Has this concept gone anywhere yet? It's pretty cool!

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We would need to see how it works in other software possibly first, it is quite a lot to add in another feature like strong's numbers, morphology, etc.
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